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  • Last Call for Toney By: Jake Rossen

    James Toney’s 15 minutes in MMA really amounted to 15 seconds: that was approximately how long it took Randy Couture to shoot a low single leg and end any discussion of Toney’s value as a mixed martial artist.

    If you expected that would convince Toney of the same, you don’t know this guy: Toney told FightHype.com that he was looking for a fight with Quinton Jackson based on comments Jackson made to “Inside MMA” about standing up with the boxer.

    “I will go on record and say he is not dumb enough to stand and trade with me,” Toney said. “Machida almost knocked him out, so what do you think I would do to him?”

    The contradiction of Toney’s MMA career is that the most interesting fight left for him -- against a striker who would look to use his kickboxing ability and keep the fight standing -- is too pricey for any promotion but the UFC, which may be out of the Toney business: he received a disclosed $500,000 salary for the Couture fight. If K-1 stumbles as badly as some expect in the coming year -- victims of the flatlining Japanese fight scene -- here’s hoping they’ve got enough in the till to give Toney what he’s asking for.

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  • Quick Quote: Shamrock Says UFC Mishandled James Toney By: Sherdog.com Staff

    Ken Shamrock during a recent episode of “The Savage Dog Show” on how the UFC promoted James Toney:

    “I believe they handled him wrong. I think that James Toney has earned the right to come into an organization, especially since he’s coming from boxing into MMA and taking a huge chance, that they should have matched him up with somebody that he at least would have had an opportunity to have success (against). They matched him up with a straight grappler. How in the world are you going to be able to have any success when you’re first coming into a new organization and a new industry that you have never, ever done before? Take away your (boxing) shoes and go in there and say, ‘OK, world champion of boxing, good luck.’”

    Shamrock suggested an alternative path for Toney, proposing a three-fight deal in which Toney would have met another striker in his UFC debut. (It should be noted that Toney has said he declined a fight with Kimbo Slice to take on Randy Couture, who easily submitted him in the first round.) Shamrock believes setting Toney up for success initially would have created much greater interest leading up to a bout against a more grappling-oriented fighter.

    “And then guess what?” Shamrock said. “Your buy rates go from being 900,000 to 1.5 or 2 million like boxing’s getting.”

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  • Respecting James Toney By: Jake Rossen



    James Toney file photo: Splash News


    Talk to enough people in the fight game and you’ll shortly understand James Toney to be an abrasive, difficult, egocentric pain in the ass who can consistently find new ways to make your day regrettable. Professionally, he’s consistently squandered his natural gifts, debuting at 157 pounds and eating his way to 237 pounds by the 2000s. In 2005, he was popped for steroids that erased a win over John Ruiz. If your kid had a James Toney poster hanging on his wall, you’d paint over it.

    But this isn’t about Toney’s character flaws, or his disappointing sloth in what could’ve been a dynamic boxing legacy. Saturday, he did what no heavyweight champion of the world has ever dared to do: get into a real fight.

    Boxing is the most superficial of all major sports. Where most fans in football, baseball and hockey accept that even the best teams have uneven records, they demand perfection -- or the illusion of it -- in prizefighting. Rocky Marciano is revered for retiring at 49-0, even though a sizable chunk of his opponents had no business in the ring with him; a loss or three late in a career can call into question your entire professional output. It’s why many boxers and their management avoid dangerous fights. Risk aversion is in the DNA of their sport.

    So imagine the attitude of the boxer who is confronted by the possibility of engaging in a contest that prohibits virtually nothing and where the chance of defeat or superficial injury is greatly increased.

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  • UFC 118 Postmortem: Lights Dim for Toney, Edgar Repeats, More By: Jake Rossen



    Randy Couture file photo: Sherdog.com


    One way to get James Toney to stop talking: cutting off the blood supply to his brain.

    Randy Couture performed a textbook arm-triangle choke against the veteran boxer and 0-0 fighter Saturday, fulfilling the expectations (and wishes) of most in the audience. The wrestler dropped Toney’s chances from about five percent down to zero by performing a low single ankle pick takedown, eliminating any possibility Toney could counter with a short strike. On the mat, Couture drowned him. Aside from the night he debuted against two grunting pituitary cases in 1997, it was far and away the least dangerous fight of the 47-year-old’s 13-year career. (Considering Couture’s willingness to fight a killer in virtually every one of his 22 prior UFC bouts, the break was well-deserved.)

    By the time the fight adds up pay-per-view households, DVD sales and Spike reruns, it will become the most-watched boxer vs. wrestler mixed-style match in history. (Ali/Inoki, whatever its audience numbered, is a nothing: The wrestler couldn’t wrestle.) While predictable, the bout and its result exemplified the cultural shift in how our culture defines tough in combat sports. The Boston crowd was chanting “UFC” like the promotion was the home team and Toney was wearing a Yankees jersey; in less than four minutes, the boxer was splayed out on the mat, emasculated.

    While many can appreciate the technique of controlled violence, prizefighting has always been about finding out who the toughest guy in the room is. Boxing, while a beautiful art to watch at its highest level, can’t wave that flag any longer. We didn’t need Couture/Toney to tell us that, but it’s the most visible evidence yet that MMA might be supplanting it sooner than expected.

    Fair or not, Toney had a big “Boxer” banner on his chest this weekend. And for the first time in his 83-fight career, he got a good look at the ceiling at the same time his native sport got a good look at its future.

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  • Toney’s Manager Calls for Couture’s Head By: Jake Rossen



    Randy Couture file photo: Dave Mandel | Sherdog.com


    Dan Goossen has nine siblings. If he’s a little defensive, you can guess why.

    Goossen promotes the career of James Toney, and I would say he has done a less than spectacular job of it: Toney seems to have as much interest in a gym as he does in a diet, and now appears ready to embarrass himself in front of a sizable television audience. If all of this has still resulted in a nice retirement fund, more power to the both of them.

    Anyway. Goossen had an interview with FightHubTV.com that Cagewriter dug up, and it’s pretty standard bluster: Goossen wants Randy Couture to follow up his MMA fight with Toney on Aug. 28 with a boxing match. "Win, lose or draw with Randy Couture, I'll match whatever he's making for this fight," he said. "And let's see if he's got the same warrior makeup that James Toney has to cross over to the boxing business."

    It’s not really unreasonable. If Toney is willing to play Couture’s game, Couture should be willing to play Toney’s. But deals aren’t made based on reciprocal feelings: Couture is, for all purposes, owned by the UFC, and the UFC would sooner open up their books than let a high-profile fighter escape. (Literally: when Couture bolted in 2008, they started waving paperwork around to cameras.)

    Goossen’s idea, obviously, is to embarrass an MMA fighter as badly as most expect Toney to be in a couple of weeks. While I give Couture no chance in that proposal, I don’t think it’s a blanket win for Toney regardless of the opponent. The stereotype that mixed martial artists have no hands at all, and would assuredly be mauled in a boxing ring, is as bad a thought as believing no boxer would ever have a chance in the cage. (Sparring is sparring, but Matt Hamill -- according to Albany sports blogger Michael Rivest -- put the screws to current pro boxer Kimdo Bethel in a gym a couple of years ago. Toney is a far cry from Bethel, true, but Hamill is a far cry from some of the better hands in MMA.)

    Goossen and Toney should probably get as much press out of the MMA media has they can. Come the 29th, I doubt the demand will be quite the same.

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  • Toney Troubles Lister in Training By: Jake Rossen

    The more that comes out of James Toney’s training camp, the more I feel like I’m being victimized by some kind of elaborate, subversive PR stunt -- one in which Toney is morphing into an actual threat in a mixed-style fighting ring.

    There were the reports that Muhammed Lawal was tapped by Toney in a guillotine; now there’s some noise from Dean Lister that Toney “almost submitted” him in training.

    “We were going over a few things and I passed his guard and I got a mount and he turned and like grabbed my foot,” Lister told FightHype.com. “I’m lucky he didn’t break it…I had to roll out of it.” Lister, incidentally, is not just a body but an Abu Dhabi Absolute champion as well as a multi-time jiu-jitsu tournament winner. One imagines he is not prone to getting caught by foot locks while in mount.

    So what’s Toney’s deal? He’s obviously preparing for some kind of ground scramble, though grabbing, like, a foot doesn’t sound like the apex of grappling prowess. I remain confident Randy Couture will tie him in knots, though Toney winning by KO or by heel hook would probably cause seizures in certain members of the audience. When has a fighter with such a small chance of winning driven this much interest? He must be a Dan Hardy fan.

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  • Toney Works His Angles By: Jake Rossen



    File photo | German Villasenor/Sherdog.com


    Years and years ago, when someone engaged UFC President Dana White on a discussion of boxers who might consider making the jump to mixed martial arts, it was decided that most lacked the ambition.

    When the subject of James Toney came up, it was decided that well, fine, all right -- Toney might be crazy enough to do it.

    I don’t know about any psychological issues, but Toney is indeed doing it. He fights Randy Couture Aug. 28 at UFC 118 "Edgar vs. Penn 2," and if there’s any trace at all of fear in a non-grappler getting into a cage with a mauling wrestler, Toney isn’t tipping it.

    “I punch and I knock people out,” he told the LA Times’ Lance Pugmire. “I'm going in there knowing what everyone in boxing knows: that everybody has a plan until they get hit. I'm a fan of MMA. But these guys hold, kick, scratch when they're in trouble…They can't mess with boxing."

    “No one has ever stepped into the Octagon with this type of striking prowess,” says coach Trevor Sherman. And this is the crux of Toney’s marketability in MMA: he’s got the best hands in the sport. Presumably. Maybe. Actually, probably not.

    A boxer in an MMA fight in a boxing stance is begging to be kicked or scooped up. If Toney changes his game -- and he’d better -- he’s not going to be as comfortable as he has been in a boxing ring. And no matter how good those hands are, they’re only two weapons. There are kickboxers in MMA who, by virtue of the sheer volume of threats, are probably more formidable standing than Toney. Boxing only works if the other guy wants to box. Couture doesn’t.

    What would fry Toney’s synapses is if Couture were able to KO him standing: unlikely, but not impossible considering the nature of the fighting gear. Toney is used to blocking with pillows: a five-ounce glove has a tendency to find its mark a little easier. Couture could also make Toney’s ambulatory status a thing of the past with enough leg kicks. It’s a fight that could be won standing, if Couture were inclined.

    That would grate promoter Bob Arum, who reared his raisin head long enough to declare MMA “cockamamie martial arts, guys rolling around on the floor. It’s not even a sport”; Pugmire himself begins the piece by implying the UFC is only ten years old. If Toney is as clueless as we all imagine him to be, he’s not in very exclusive company.

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  • The Art of the Trash Talk By: Jake Rossen



    James Toney file photo: Splash News


    There’s an excellent chance James Toney is going to discover pain in joints he didn’t even know he had on August 28. Fortunately for him, that has very little to do with his value as an entertainer.

    From a Monday FightHype.com interview:

    On Brock Lesnar: “Stiff-ass, coward-ass…[he] had on a pink skirt [against Shane Carwin].”

    On Dana White: “Even though Dana White is a toes-eatin’ motherf--ker, he puts on good shows every month, you know what I’m saying?” (I don’t know what “toes eatin’” implies, but I’ll be using it every chance I get.)

    Toney’s comments often read better than they sound: he can be difficult to understand at times, the possible victim of two decades spent getting his brain stamped. He’s also crude and offensive. But he somehow manages to take his overblown comments appear sincere. That’s the trademark of a good trash talker. Believe the script.

    Trash talking has been around since the bare-knuckle days in the UK, where stubborn men fighting for dozens of rounds could easily hear themselves over small crowds and the lack of mouthpieces. Today, the Unified Rules of MMA warn against “abusive language,” though there’s been no instance of a fighter being fined or fouled for defamatory comments prior to a bout. A good talker is the single most important function this sport has adopted from pro wrestling. If you keep your jaw open long enough, people will want to see it punched shut.

    Toney gets it, which is why he was able to talk himself into a UFC deal despite being 41 and 0-0. (Only Ron van Clief, at 51, was older for his UFC debut -- I think. God knows I’ll get emails if I’m wrong.) Having a rap can get you deals. It can get you wins: Frank Shamrock was notorious for planting doubt in opponents’ heads by whispering predictions into ears. It can inflate reputations: the volume of Dan Hardy’s confidence before the Georges St. Pierre fight made you half-believe he had a chance. Alternately, it can just get beer cups thrown at you.

    Some tips for standing out while you’re lashing out:

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